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Oxbowfarm

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My Good Book List
« on: November 30, 2011, 06:15:28 AM »

I'll start one,  just to list off the books I've found to be very useful.  None are perfect, but good info to be had if you cherry-pick.

1. The Guide to Self-Sufficiency by John Seymour.  Now reprinted and revised under a new title,  I fell in love with this one in the 10th grade while living in the suburbs.  You can't actually go out and become self-sufficient by reading this book but it is beautiful with exquisite illustrations (the reprint not so much) it lit my brain on fire.  If I had never read it I almost certainly wouldn't be sitting where I am with a farm, milk cow, chickens, etc.  I'd most likely still be in the suburbs someplace living one of those lives of quiet desperation.  So thank you John, love ya baby.  RIP.

2. The Encyclopedia of Country Living  by Carla Emery This one actually might be a "one book survival manual"  It is kind of oddly organized and scattered but gives you a really solid grounding in a great many basic self sufficiency topics and references and sources.  Very very useful, plus Mrs Emery kept updating it throughout her life and including feedback from readers and contributors so it is almost a self sufficiency "wiki" in a way.  Very very useful.  My only complaint other than the slightly scattered feel to the organization of the book is that my copy was extremely cheaply bound and is falling apart.  You can't make a durable paperback book of the massive size this one is.  I don't know if they make a hardbound version but it would be worth it if they did. 

3. The New Organic Grower by Eliot Coleman  Pretty much the only book on how to become an organic vegetable farmer and really a pretty good one.  Not perfect, and I definitely think you'd be in for a rough time if you started out using his blueprint without a lot of tweaking, but the best there is by far.  Very well written, very good overview. 

4. The Winter Harvest Handbook by Eliot Coleman.  Really excellent book on season extension techniques.  Turning  a farm into a year-round income generator is essential in today's economy.  I can only imagine walking into a lender and trying to get an operating loan for the winter.  Why not grow produce and sell it instead of going into debt all winter?

5. Permaculture: a Designers Manual by Bill Mollison  I have my issues with "Permaculture" by which I mean the organization/personality cult that surrounds Bill Mollison and feels the need to trademark everything  and charge out the nose for training classes etc.  But there is a ton of good ideas in this book that can be applied anywhere.  Really great stuff on adding perennial food plantings, designing landscapes, dealing with wildlife etc.  Pretty weak on incorporating livestock into the systems, and not as much cold temperate climate information but a very useful book. 

6. Square Foot Gardening by Mel Bartholomew Absolutely the best intensive gardening book every written, very easy to understand system with excellent clear explanations of the specifics of the technique.  Excellent overview of succession planting, probably the best treatment of the subject in any gardening book ever.  If home gardeners are going to start feeding themselves, they need this book and #7 , but they need this one first, once they master this they can better understand the complexities of #7 and actually use them more effectively.

7. How to Grow More Vegetables.... by John Jeavons  The title is actually miles longer than that but I don't want to write it all.  THE book on biointensive gardening.  Biointensive is an interesting technique, and this book exhaustively explains it.  I think their claims for its benefits are overblown, and they whole idea that you can increase soil organic matter by double digging is a crock, but this is an incredibly useful reference manual on how people can grow a lot of food, especially a lot of calories, on a small area. These methods work, history has proven them, but their claims can be over the top at times.  Some problems with it... this book is not very easy to read. Easily 50% of this book is taken up by complex, multi-page charts that are difficult to use without a bunch of highlighting pens. This is off-putting and limits the usefulness of the book as a go-to reference.  I mostly use it for the charts however.  Their spacing recommendations are extremely useful starting points.  One other thing that they recommend that I think is totally wrong is the idea that you have to double dig your beds all the time.  This is totally stupid IMO. Unless your soil is complete junk you should only need to do it once.  Double digging is massive drudgery, then they want you to do it OVER AGAIN, and then every year until your soil reaches some magical tipping point.  Don't waste your time OR your back,  it can be a useful technique on compacted soil but it doesn't need to be repeated if you are careful to not recompact it.  Especially if you live someplace where it freezes in the winter.

8. The Resilient Gardener by Carol Deppe.  Rob has already sung its praises. Liked it very much, still testing out some of Carol's claims.  She has some unusual ideas about ways you should and should not cook foods like corn and beans that I am still testing.  I would maybe add a few crops to her basic 4 for more resilience.  Wheat comes to mind, but she is a Celiac and does not have that option.  I also think that her recommendation for the use of ducks is probably not as workable as chickens for most folks.  She lives in a wet mild climate well suited to ducks.  Chickens are more widely adaptable and easier to care for in most climates, probably ducks are easier in her climate.

9. Breed your own Vegetable Varieties. by Carol Deppe.  Pretty awesome book, very inspirational, filled with practical information for the amateur plant breeder.

10. Tree Crops: a Permanent Agriculture  by J. Russel Smith.  It is kind of frightening to read a book so filled with good ideas and inspiration and clear intelligent criticisms of conventional agricultural practice and realize that it was written many generations ago and is still ahead of its time.  Smith coherently and entertainingly advocates for the conversion of hill lands to permanent food forests of selected trees and discusses many species and systems that could be better utilized for the betterment of mankind.  It boggles the mind.

11. Farmers of Forty Centuries by F. H. King  Tells how they used to do it in China and Japan, how to feed an enormous population by hand and not deplete the soil.  Lots of food for thought here.

12. Seed to Seed by Suzanne Ashworth.  Ultimate seed saving manual,  pretty much all the information you need to save any common crop seed.

13. The Complete Modern Blacksmith by Alexander G. Weygers
14. Make Your Own Woodworking Tools  by Mike Burton
I actually do very little blacksmithing and what I do is very crude, but the nice thing about these two books is that they give you a really great background in blacksmith style metal working and explain the basics of how to make and modify your own tools.  I have no intention of becoming a great sculptor like Mr. Weygers or Mr. Burton, but because of these two books I can go to a garage sale, see a piece of junk Chinese hoe with a broken handle in a pile, buy it for a dollar, spend about and hour on it in the shed and have a cultivating hoe that is the equal of the fancy collinear hoes they sell in Johnny's or Lee Valley for $85.  It gives you a mental toolkit, how to fix, mend, modify your own stuff, and to realize how easy that is to do.

15. The Book of the New Alchemists  I always liked to read this book for inspiration when I was in high school.  Kind of like the permaculture manual.  I now recognize that they tended towards excessively high tech solutions, especially for their passive solar arks and greenhouses, but I feel like they were going for something great and found out a lot of cool stuff in the process.

16. Wild Fermentation by Sandor Katz.  Complete overview of worldwide food fermentation styles and methods with applicable recipes. Great introduction to historical low tech food preservation.

17. Root Cellaring by Nancy Bubel  Pretty exhaustive overview of in-ground storage of crops, roots and fruits from super low tech to fancy.  Pretty much still the only and best book on this topic that I'm aware of.

18. Primitive Technology 1 & 2  edited by David Westcott.  Another pair of really good books for changing your mental tool kit, how to look at everything around you as a potential tool, not just for an emergency, but for every day.

19. Keeping the Family Cow by Joann S. Grohmann
20. Essential Guide to Calving by Heather Smith Thomas
 I am into cows, I think they are a huge asset to anyone trying to be more self reliant if you have the land or access to land you can graze, and it takes less than you think.  These two will get you going.

21. Oxen: a Teamsters Guide by Drew Conroy.  Oxen are the future, trust me on this. 

I'll add a couple more here..

22. Gardening for Profit by Peter Hendersen.  This is a really good book describing the state of the art in market gardening back in the 1860's.  It is very neat as he uses greenhouses and othere season extension tech but almost all of the work is manual.  It also is written largely before the widespread advent of heavy metal pesticides which you tend to see recommended a lot in books from the early 20th century. 

Country Woodcraft by Drew Langsner.  Really good overview of green woodworking which is a really easy technique if you have access to any kind of live wood.  Things like handles, mallets, rakes, scythe snaths, and even small furniture.  And the results are usually superior to what you can buy, particularly for things like axe handles, a riven handle is much stronger than a sawn one.





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Re: My Good Book List
« Reply #1 on: November 30, 2011, 12:55:52 PM »

If you don't mind I'll post some links here and elsewhere.

I virtually "met" Mr. Seymour shortly before his passing. Had no idea who he was or that he was in his 90s.

Carla Emery was quite a character. I would have liked to have met her. The funky nature of the book is part of its charm. It's a collection of her writings and correspondence, with no professional editing.

I have most of your list but not all of them. I'll have to spend some time on Amazon this afternoon.
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Re: My Good Book List
« Reply #2 on: November 30, 2011, 03:03:40 PM »

Tim,
I have to go buy #18.  I'm a book fiend.  Leo no longer lets me read with a flashlight...

Some others I like

22. Mycelium Running - Paul Stamets.  A very eye opening book about what's going on in the soil beneath you.


23. Charcuterie: The Craft of Salting, Smoking, and Curing - Michel Rulhman, Brina Polcyn and Thomas Keller.  Spend a fun afternoon with your kids, make hotdogs.  This is one of those books you need to buy and learn the techniques if you are planning on living without a fridge someday.  Rulhman has another good book called "Rulhman's 20".  Which will help your cooking skills. Check them out at the library.

24. The Ball Book of Canning.  Okay, it's not my favorite, but if you can only buy one canning book, get this one.  I have dozens.  The reigning favorite is Well Preserved by Eugenia Bone.

25.  Other Cookbooks:  The Joy of Cooking (mine is from 1971).  The Old World Kitchen.  The Moosewood Cookbook.  The Essential Cuisines of Mexico.  The Bread Maker's Apprentice and Bernard Clayton's Complete Book of Bread.  These are the books I reference the most.  I highly recommend going to the library before buying any cookbook and checking them out. 

26. Hands on Spinning - Lee Raven.  This is a book to learn spinning by wheel.  If you want to learn with a drop spindle, look for High Whorling or Spinning in the Old Way by Priscilla Gibson-Robert.

27.  Color by Accident,  Color by Design, Hands on Dyeing, The Dyer's Garden.  All of these are good books on dyeing yarn.  The last one covers a lot of plants you can grow to dye yarn with.  I've been dying for years. 

28. Complex Cloth by Jane Dunnewold.  The techniques in this book will keep you busy while the world collapses.

29.  The Knitter's Handy Book of Patterns, Getting Started Knitting Socks, both by Ann Budd.  I have dozens and dozens of books on knitting.  These are the ones I take with me when I travel.  I also have used Handspun, Handknit for about a dozen pairs of mittens and hats.

30.  The Encyclopedia of Herbs and Herbalism by Malcolm Stuart.  Mine is from 1979.  We have used this book hundreds of times.   The best reference book on herbs we have.

31.  Herbal Healing for Women by Rosemary Gladstar.  Maid, Mother and Crone you will use this book. 

32.  Raising Sheep the Modern Way, Raising Chickens.  Both Storey Books

I'll work on this some more after I finish my chores....




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Re: My Good Book List
« Reply #3 on: December 01, 2011, 07:44:17 AM »

If you don't mind I'll post some links here and elsewhere.

I virtually "met" Mr. Seymour shortly before his passing. Had no idea who he was or that he was in his 90s.

Carla Emery was quite a character. I would have liked to have met her. The funky nature of the book is part of its charm. It's a collection of her writings and correspondence, with no professional editing.

I have most of your list but not all of them. I'll have to spend some time on Amazon this afternoon.
Rob, I'd love to hear more of your John Seymour story, I once wrote him a thank you/ fan letter about 15 or so years ago, but that was before I was using the internet so I have no idea if the address was current for that time.  I certainly never heard back from him.  I still to this day love that book.  Many of his other books are very good as well, especially "the Self Sufficient Gardener" and the book about lost country skills who's title escapes me at the moment.

Holly,  I am going to have to look at a bunch of your books as well,  Do you have any books that have a nice explanation of the construction of a spinning wheel?  This is on my list of projects "to make".  I have a little pamphlet on building one but am looking for more references.  I've made a few drop spindles that work quite nicely. 

Thanks for all the cookbook recommendations.  Esp.  #23.  A pig is a goal for next fall if I can spare the time to create the infrastructure.  I have been ordered not to acquire any more livestock until we have the infrastructure.  On pain of pain. 
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« Reply #4 on: December 01, 2011, 02:57:49 PM »

Tim, I have a book on building a loom, but not a spinning wheel.  I have an Ashford, which I would trade for a pedal thresher or a bicycle thresher.

http://www.craftsmanspace.com/free-projects/spinning-wheel-plan.html  But here's a plan for a wheel that's free.

One of the worst things Leo and I did when we moved to the farm was collect an ark.  Leo than played catch-up with my harebrained ideas and collection of critters until I became pregnant.  I suddenly and overnight was granted great wisdom.  The ducks, pigs, rabbits, goats, angora rabbits, turkeys and geese all went to the freezer and were not replaced.  That left us with sheep, until I saw the wisdom of further reduction.  Every couple of years I get rid of all the chickens for a few months and then start a new flock.  So now we have the "if you build it they can come article of marriage."  This applies to animals, people, and large farm equipment.  This has allowed Leo to work on things like plumbing, roofing, siding, electrical, septic issues...all which continually crop up on this old farm.  I wish I were more handy, but my talents lay in plants, animals, cooking, sewing, research and organization.  Sigh.   Can your spouse use the drop spindle? or are you the spinner in the house?

Rob, I agree, Carla is quirky but very interesting. 
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« Reply #5 on: December 01, 2011, 07:03:24 PM »

Oxbowfarm, not much to tell. He had some commentaries online, I thought they were interesting and sent him email with my comments, he wrote a nice note back.

Shortly thereafter, I read his obituary, and made the connection. No idea that he was someone famous until after he passed away. Never read his books until after he was gone.

Bear in mind I'm a city boy; my interest in agriculture was spawned rather suddenly as the result of a chain of events that started when I received a modest windfall during the heydays of the software industry (I'm a geek, in case it's not obvious...tho a bit dated, I'm afraid, and have moved on to other ways of making money...).

I wanted to invest prudently, so I did some reading according to what I already believed, which eventually lead me to something called "Austrian economic theory" (because it originated at the University of Vienna about a hundred some years ago).

Subscribed to a newsletter about natural resource-related investments. This guy, who was emphatically NOT an environmentalist, was telling me that contrary to everything that I heard, we did NOT have 80-some years of oil left, but in fact would hit a crisis much sooner than that, as a result of hitting peak production, and that, furthermore, of the remaining oil NOT all of it would be pumped out, because there would be a day when it cost 1 barrel of oil to pump one barrel of oil.

That would be a very, very, very bad day at work. Game over.

So I got to wondering about the implications and got to thinking...I had a vague sense that agriculture was fuel intensive. I did an internet search.

HOLY COW!!! 10Kcal of fuel to grow ONE Kcal of grain!!!!

10Kcal grain to grow ONE Kcal of meat!!!

Not precise numbers, but good enough working numbers. The point is that the system is unsustainable. WE'RE GOING TO STARVE TO DEATH!!!

I thought about how to invest in agriculture. To make a long story short, it's hard for small players to make money in the commodities markets (I learned that lesson even before MF Global took out a huge fraction of existing small investors' accounts by apparently pledging them as collateral for it's own wrong-way bets on European debt).

So, direct participation was the only thing I could think of. And when I apply myself somewhere, I give it my all.

I want to own the seeds while it is still possible. I have since discovered that there is a dangerous monopoly in seed for staple crops. Yes, you can by lettuce seeds and beet seeds and cucumber seeds and radish seeds...try buying wheat retail, without being licensed. Read the license terms!!!!!!

It's that way for most staple crops. Even somewhat for potatoes, though thankfully there are still lots of potatoes in public domain--and I happen to have it in with the big guy in public domain potatoes anyway. That's how we met. There's a story there too for another time.

I've also discovered I have zero interest in commercial maize/corn anyway. That is one crop where the more valuable seeds are already in the public domain, for reasons some of us have discussed elsewhere. For small production, you don't want corn that has been bred with the assumption that it will be fractionated into starch, protein, corn oil, high fructose corn syrup, etc. You want grains designed to be whole foods the way the Amerindians ate (and some still do) them. The short-term goal being to sufficiently grow them out and get other people growing them and eating them.
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« Reply #6 on: December 01, 2011, 09:31:07 PM »

Holly,

I actually have a design for a thresher in my head,  I'm not so sure how it will stack up, but it overcomes a lot of the difficulties I have with the Rodale Institute design that is in Gene Logsdon's book.

What I'm actually envisioning would be two separate units,  one of them a pedal PTO unit with a large step pulley with perhaps the largest pulley being 36".  This would be used to run a variety of implements like the thresher, our Country Living Mill etc. 

The downside of the thresher I'm envisioning would be that it would not be able to accept full length straw so you would have to cut the ears off the sheaves or harvest  the ears only,  so it would be hard to use on much beyond the homestead scale.  But it would have a wooden cylinder and concave vs the crazy weldment the Rodale devise requires with all its noisy chain.  The difficulty of a threshing machine is the concave and cylinder,  if you can power those adequately and make them adjustable enough to get a good thresh, the winnowing is pretty easy to accomplish even if you need to do that as a separate step,  I am hoping to be able to incorporate some kind of winnowing fan coupled to the unit to blow air up through the threshed material as it passes over/through some additional screens via gravity.
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« Reply #7 on: December 02, 2011, 10:45:16 AM »

Tim, These are the 2 machines I am considering for the farm.  Both of these are made in China.  These are both at the low end of the tech scale.  The virtually same thresher is $2000 at the Ferrari Tractor site.  This one is $156.  In theory, it threshes a bushel an hour.  The folks in India sent me a quote for a motor driven thresher that will do 1/2 ton in an hour (sans the motor) it is $2500.

Although some kids on the East Coast made a bicycle powered one, there is just nothing here that is the right size that does the job.  In other words, they marketed it for Africa.

There's a battery powered combine called "Minibatt"  very cool, but Leo thinks too small.  All of the other combines that we can afford are of course out of China.  Again, some college students made a Mini Case II combine, but they sold it as an oddity rather than something that farmers would want.  I'm very frustrated with farm machinery in general.  It's all too big and too expensive.  I ordered the Cecoco catalog for Gene's Grain book, but it has come yet.

I was not all that impressed with his book.  I haven't actually found any grain books that actually tell you EVERYTHING.  There's always something missing, like the part where you go to hull the grain and it can't be done.  Not enough time was spent testing varieties and giving recommendations and sources in any of the books I bought on grain.  I'm getting discouraged with the project.
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« Reply #8 on: December 02, 2011, 10:58:47 AM »

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« Reply #9 on: December 02, 2011, 12:18:23 PM »

Holly,

I can't open those files but I'm pretty familiar with the Hampshire college device.  I personally don't like the drum thresher designs.  They are pretty ineffective for wheat, which is the major crop I am interested in threshing.  They work pretty good for open pannicle type grains like oats or rice but they don't truly thresh them out either, they just clean them off the sheath then you have to do a second step to remove the hulls (glumes).

For wheat you truly need a concave /beater bar type system to rub the glumes off the grain. 

IMO you'd be better off spending your money on constructing or having constructed a custom made system than spending all that money on importing something from asia.  Do you guys intend to grow enough wheat to justify a combine? 
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« Reply #10 on: December 03, 2011, 04:04:05 PM »

There is no one here who does custom combine work unless you have 20 acres or so.  No one is going to come for my 1/4 acre of wheat, so to get a combine, I'd have to buy a walk behind one.  A good one from Italy is about 20k.  A good one from Japan, about the same.  A cheap one from Asian about $3000.  Anyway you slice it, way too much money.  The drum thresher and winnower from Asian can be purchased for about $500, including shipping.  The Minibatt is about $1000.  I have beat the bushes here trying to find someone to help me with a pedal mill.  Nothing.  No one wants to make any one-offs.

I do have to find something that will do the sorghum before sorghum season.  I can always just feed the wheat to the chickens and let it go at that.   All this stoopid articles about growing your own grain fail completely to highlight the problem of without a combine, you need to be able to get them off the stalk, get them hulled, and then get them ground.  I could not open my attachments either.  I found them on Alibaba under manual thresher, manual winnower, both from Acme China.  Wiley Coyote is laughing at me.

I'm totally discouraged at this point. 

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« Reply #11 on: December 03, 2011, 07:18:49 PM »

Instead of being a TIFF file, it's a php file (an executable). Lemme check that attachments are working. They were not too long ago--I've used them and so have a few other folks. But, things go wrong...
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